The event started with the advance screening of Episode 1.
After the screening was the talk show with Soma, Kensho, and secret guest Yuma. They praised the show, and had been excited about how cute the characters were while they were watching from backstage. Soma talked about how amazing it was that the characters retained their animal traits even in human form.
The cast all agreed that Episode 2 is crazy. According to Yuma, it’s “literally” crazy, so that’s something to look forward to. And apparently, Episode 3 will show off Pochi’s adorableness. They also told some sweet behind-the-scenes stories, such as how the cast was proactive with ad libbing.
At the end of the event, they announced the Blu-ray/DVD sales and a special “3rd Street Flower Festival” event that will be held on May 10th.
According to Kensho, Uchitama’s true nature is still hiding during Episode 1, and it has yet to unlock its full potential. Please watch the anime when it airs!
Broadcast: 2019/12/24 @ 9pm JST Original URL:https://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv323313275 (no longer available) Original Name: うちタマ?! 3丁目通信 クリスマス特別号 Guests: Saito Soma, Ono Kensho, Shirai Yusuke, Uchida Yuma, Hatano Wataru (MC)
Choice Quotes
(Cast is drinking drinks based on their characters) Soma: There’s something solid in here! Everyone else: What? Soma: *takes another sip* Oh, never mind, there isn’t. Everyone else: ??? Soma: Sorry, I lied. Everyone else: Why???
(Cast is talking about Tama) Kensho: The PV was way too cute Yuma: (softly) Yeah… Kensho: (softly) Yeah… Soma: Why are you whispering among yourselves? Hatano: But it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that he’s so cute, it’s like the role was created so that Saito Soma could play it Soma: Well, that’s just how it is sometimes… *makes cat pose* Everyone else: AAAAAAA welp, Merry Christmas! Hatano: Presents for everyone!
(Announcing the next stream) Hatano: Another stream has been announced for next month! *lists off details* Hatano: As for the content… Saito-kun, if you would Soma: Uh…….. *laughs* Everyone else: What’s wrong? Soma: Um… well you see, today’s program is a live special, right? Hatano: Yes, it’s a live stream Soma: Today’s is a “live special,” and the second one is a “special” Shiraimu: …Oh, so… Soma: Are you ready? Can I say it? Soma: It’s… already been pre-recorded *Everyone laughs*
(Opinion Survey corner where they hold up the name of who they think matches the topic the most)
Q1: Who here do you think is the most cat-like? Soma: Shirai (he lives freely at his own pace) Kensho: Saito (he’s cat-like; he even looks like a cat (awkward laughing from Soma) and when you’re talking to him, you wonder what mood he’s in, like a cat that’ll approach you one day and ignore you the next. also the way he hides his neck *points out Soma’s turtleneck sweater*) Shiraimu: Saito (they didn’t talk much when they first met, but after getting to know each other better they got closer in a flash, also he has the aura of a cat) Yuma: Shirai (he doesn’t get influenced by his surroundings and he sticks with his preferences, like how he always wears green)
Q2: Who here would be the most likely to bite their owner? Soma: Ono (rather than the angry kind of bite, a playful bite *Kensho makes biting motions*) Kensho: *Blank* (everyone is nice) Shiraimu: Saito (Saito Soma will play-bite you, he seems like he’d be good at getting people to spoil him *Soma makes biting motions that gradually turn into head-banging*) Yuma: Uchida (uhh yeah, playful bites *makes biting motions and weird faces at the same time*)
(Lost Item challenge where they pick topics and time limits from a box, then draw them within the time limit for the others to guess)
Shiraimu (Time limit: 15 seconds) Correct answer: Dog doing a handshake
Soma (Time limit: 20 seconds) Correct answer: Cat tower (Soma didn’t really know what it looked like and was shocked they got it right)
Yuma (Time limit: 10 seconds) Correct answer: Pizza (they were thrown off for a while, thinking it must be related to dogs/cats)
Kensho (Time limit: 3 seconds) Correct answer: Cat toy (“3 seconds was plenty!”)
Bonus Round: Hatano (Time limit: 15 seconds) Correct answer: Mapo tofu (they all answered at the same time, and everyone said something different, so they discussed it and tried again, but different answers came out again, and finally on the third try they got it right)
Other Notes
Soma’s Santa hat is the only fluffy one
Soma mentioned that he often goes out to eat with Yuma, and went with Shiraimu before too
(This magazine is absolutely glorious but I won’t be scanning it unless I get a second copy, since I don’t want to take apart my display copy)
Released: 2019/11/30
*Soma was on the back cover of this magazine and had a 10-page feature. There was also a pin-up poster.
Q: Voice recording is currently in progress for the TV broadcast beginning in January. What’s your impression of the story?
When I asked the staff about Uchitama?!’s concept, they said, “We want it to be an anime for people in need of everyday healing and relaxation after a long day at work.” And after doing the recording, I found that it really is that kind of anime. It has more comedy than I was expecting, and the characters’ fun, energetic daily lives make you smile and chuckle. I act my part with the desire to make it that kind of healing anime.
Q: What’s the appeal of Okamoto Tama, the character you voice?
This anime is about animals that have been anthropomorphized, and Tama is in his human form in Episode 1 already, but he’s still a cat on the inside. He acts based on instinct and reflexes. Of course, he doesn’t think of himself as cute, but his free-spiritedness looks cute from an outsider’s perspective. His nature results in him getting lost a lot, but that helplessness is also part of his cuteness.
Q: You voice both the human and animal forms. What do you take into consideration when voicing them?
When we think of cats, we imagine them saying “meow,” but they don’t actually meow cutely like that. I did research videos beforehand, but when it comes to animated works, I don’t consider “realism” that important, and instead believe that having “a sense of reality” is what matters. If you put too much of the real world in, you lose room for imagination. Tama’s a character who immediately expresses what he’s feeling, so I try not to think too much, and strive to directly output what I feel.
Q: What kind of direction or post-recording feedback did the director give you?
There wasn’t really any… *laughs*. A positive interpretation of that would be, since Uchitama?!’s cast was decided by audition, the Tama I proposed was probably close to what they’d envisioned. Also, this project itself was very ambitious, and I felt that the creative team didn’t want to lock Tama into a specific voicing style either. So, the characters and the anime will be developed as the recordings progress, with the director’s ideas as well as our ideas as the cast. I think this is the most exciting part of creating something new, so I’m really looking forward to the upcoming recording sessions.
Q: Do you have anything in common with Tama?
I usually don’t look for common points between myself and the characters I voice, not just for this anime but for others as well. Of course, I do think about it when I have to, but for example, in Tama’s case, a lot of his actions won’t make sense as a human. It’s only natural, because he’s a cat. Since these actions are normal for him, I have to think about how his mind works when I act. So, I don’t really feel that I have anything in common with him. Oh, but Tama’s full of curiosity, so he’s often shown shifting his attention to anything that catches his interest, and we might be a bit similar in that sense. There are times when I find something interesting and instantly become obsessed.
Q: Do you ever get lost like Tama does?
I don’t really get lost. Smartphones are truly amazing *laughs*. But for some reason, I often make electronics go haywire. In fact, earlier when I was on the way here, it kept showing me as still in Tokyo Station. I guess the me inside Google Maps often gets lost. *laughs*
Q: Which characters besides Tama are you interested in?
They’re all very charming, but I’m sure the other cast members would all say Bull. He’s a peculiar one, and I think he broadens Uchitama?!’s potential. By Episode 1, he’s already making you think, “So Uchitama?! has this kind of vibe too.” His voice actor, Maeno Tomoaki-san also seems to have a lot of fun voicing him, and he’s allowed to ad-lib freely as long as it fits the character. So, please keep an eye out for Bull.
There’s also the adorable Beh, voiced by Uchida Yuma-kun. I had my own impression of the character when I read the script, but he took it in a very different direction–in a good way. I’m always wondering, “Where does Yuma-kun pull that acting from?” and I’m thinking that his brain might be connected to an alternate dimension… That’s how uniquely cute his acting is.
So, I’m interested in Bull and Beh. That said, all of the other characters are weirdos too, really. *laughs*
Q: What’s your impression of Tama’s good friends, Pochi and Tora?
Ono Kensho-san’s high-pitched voice for Pochi is very cute. Character-wise, Pochi’s got a tough life… He’s prone to getting dragged into things *laughs*. Tama’s a free spirit, so Pochi gets pulled into his antics, and that relationship between them is one of the central pillars of Uchitama?!. I’m looking forward to working with Kensho-san more.
Shirai Yusuke-san’s Tora is a very energetic character, but he’s careless at times. I didn’t get to have these kinds of lively dialogues with Shirai-san in the other works we’ve shared, so it was refreshing. Also, since Shirai-san and I both like the colour green, we exchange news every time we meet. *laughs*
Q: Finally, a message for the readers, please!
Whether you’ve always been a fan of Tama & Friends or Uchitama?! will be your first time meeting them, I’m sure that it’ll bring you healing and smiles. There’s still some time before it starts airing, so please look forward to it until then. Thank you for supporting Uchitama?!.
Bonus off-shots from Twitter/Instagram (Insta ones have multiple pages):
Features: Saito Soma (Tama in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~)
Mentioned: Ono Kensho (Pochi in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Kaji Yuki (Nora in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Uchida Yuma (Beh in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Maeno Tomoaki (Bull in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Shirai Yusuke (Tora in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Hatano Wataru (Gon in Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~) Nakajima Yoshiki Nakao Ryusei
Saito Soma is a popular voice actor, known for roles such as Kujou Tenn from IDOLiSH7, Tsurumaru Kuninaga from Touken Ranbu, and Yumeno Gentarou from Hypnosis Mic.
He’s demonstrated his many talents over the years, beginning a music career in 2017 and releasing his first essay collection in 2018.
Coming upon his 10th year as a voice actor, he says, “There’s the ‘Saito Soma’ in quotation marks, and then there’s the normal Saito Soma. By linking the two well, I’ll be able to express myself in even more ways. I think I’ll make that my personal theme for the future.”
The image others want to see from him versus his natural self. Perhaps it’s because of that gap that he has such a wide range of expression. While reflecting on how the voice acting industry has changed him, we ask him where he is now.
“It’s cute seeing a cat’s instinctive actions performed in human form!”
The Tama & Friends ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~ franchise began with character goods in 1983, and became loved through all sorts of media forms, ranging from manga and school exercises to picture books and anime.
The new anime Uchitama?! ~Uchi no Tama Shirimasenka?~ casts popular voice actors to familiar characters like Tama, Pochi, and Tora. We interviewed Saito Soma, who will be voicing the protagonist, Okamoto Tama.
Q: How did you feel when you got the role?
Various works these days are based off of anthropomorphization, but I was surprised that the beloved franchise Tama & Friends would become one of them. I had no idea what the anime setting would be like, so I was genuinely excited to find out.
Q: It seems that Episode 1’s recording has concluded. (This interview was conducted in August.) Did you voice your role as a cat or as a human?
It was completely as a cat. In their world, only their outer appearance is the humanized form.
I think the most unique trait of this anime adaptation is that it makes use of both the humanized forms and the actual animal forms. For Tama, the humans see him as a cat, but when he’s talking to Pochi or his other friends, they see each other in the human forms.
So, it’s important for me to keep in mind that he doesn’t follow the logical thought patterns of humans. He lives through his natural instincts as a cat.
For example, when a cat hears something, its natural reaction is to go towards the source of the sound, and that’s depicted as-is, to make it more realistic. I think that depicting those cat actions with a human form is a fun experiment.
Q: So, what did you keep in mind when voicing Tama?
Instead of acting more cutely than necessary, I think it’s closer to a cat’s natural appeal to express that cuteness in ways other than my voice.
For example, in Episode 1, Tama gets lost with Pochi (CV: Ono Kensho), but despite being lost, he still goes “I’m hungry~” and eats the food at someone else’s house without asking *laughs*
Tama doesn’t try to act cute; it’s a result of his natural actions. Hopefully, the viewers will think, “Oh, you were hungry so it’s not your fault. There there.”
Q: What about becoming more cat-like?
We voice the parts when they’re in their animal forms too, but real cats don’t actually say “meow,” right? So, I prepared in advance by watching videos.
However, when it comes to animation, I’ve never thought that it was important to be true to real life. What’s more important is having “a sense” of realism.
I strive to not adopt too many real world elements, so that my own imagination won’t be inhibited.
“When I voiced the child form, Shirai Yusuke said ‘That was good, I guess?'”
Q: What was the recording session like?
It was extremely peaceful. Many of us had co-starred often before, so the atmosphere felt comfortable right from the get-go.
The cat that Kaji (Yuki)-san voices, Nora, is an intelligent and cool character, and Kaji-san went all-in on voicing him that way… but his acting was so perfect that everyone would tease him for it *laughs* Kaji-san responded to our teasing in a hilarious way, and sometimes he’d tease me and (Uchida) Yuma-kun (voice of Beh) too *laughs*
Q: Who was teasing Kaji-san–
*interjects* It was Maeno (Tomoaki)-san (voice of Bull) *laughs*
Q: And who was teasing you?
I guess it’d be Shirai (Yusuke)-kun (voice of Tora). When I voiced Tama’s child form, he said, “That was good, I guess?” *laughs*
Aside from him, there were other people like Yuma-kun, Kaji-san, and Hatano (Wataru)-san (voice of Gon) who would also crack jokes at every opportunity, and I think this harmonious recording setting will bring about good results.
Q: You have the lead role, but what was your position during recording?
While the title is Uchitama?!, it’s definitely not a Tama-centric show. It depicts the lives of the Third Street inhabitants from various angles, and the cast includes many veteran senpais, so I didn’t have to get overly fired up.
If I have to say, I guess when we’re recording separate character lines, the first to speak is often Tama. I experiment with how cute and entertaining I can go, and pass the baton to the next person.
Q: I know it’s only been one episode, but what was the input from the director?
As of now, nothing at all *laughs* The audition for this show was done by sending in voice samples, so I guess what I submitted was close to what the staff wanted.
Tama shows what he’s feeling right away, so instead of overthinking it, I felt that it’d be better to feel what he’s feeling and output it directly.
It’s an ambitious project, and I think the best part of putting it together will be seeing how far beyond people’s expectations we can take it (in a good way). The creation team is still making sure to keep Tama’s character flexible.
I think it’s great when we, as actors, incorporate our presentation ideas, developing the characters and the work as a whole with each recording session.
“The type that withdraws from excessive human interaction”
Q: Now then, if you were a cat, what kind of cat do you think you’d be?
A Somali cat… Actually, there’s a guy named Nakajima Yoshiki at my agency (81 Produce), and he told me to say Somali *laughs* “Your names are similar, so it’d be good, right?” Apparently, Somalis have a clear voice, like a ringing bell.
Q: How would you like to be raised?
I’m the type that tends to pull back from excessive human interference, so I’d prefer to only be pampered very occasionally. A moderate amount of being left alone and a moderate amount of pampering… I wouldn’t want to be taken care of like that. I have my own life, so… *laughs*
People are people, cats are cats. I believe that each has their own territory.
Q: I see. By the way, regarding your answer to the cat question, how did you and Nakajima Yoshiki-san end up talking about Somalis?
I go drinking with Yoshiki often these days. I don’t know much about cats, but he’s a cat lover, so he answered instantly. I looked up pictures and saw that they have very pretty faces, but it’s embarrassing to say that with a proud face *laughs*
Q: Do people say you’re like a cat?
Not much. Sometimes someone will say “I don’t know what you’re thinking; you’re like a cat,” but there are also people who say the opposite, that I’m like a dog. So, I guess I’m not particularly cat-like.
Q: Do you think you have the characteristics of a “cat-type boy”?
Stuff like “whimsical” might describe me, but I don’t think someone who would say “I’m a cat-type boy” would actually be a cat-type boy… right? *laughs*
Q: Are there any books that come to mind when you think of cats? What are your recommendations, being the bookworm that you are?
I like sci-fi, and cats often appear in sci-fi works. I don’t know if it’s because a cat’s perspective of the world is sci-fi-esque, but sci-fi authors from all sorts of times and places put cats in their novels.
There are three books I’d like to recommend. The first is Kurt Vonnegut’s Cat’s Cradle. The story has nothing to do with cats, but the title relates to the game of “cat’s cradle.” It’s the first book that comes to mind when I hear the word “cat.”
The second is Robert A. Heinlein’s The Door into Summer. This one is a classic sci-fi masterpiece, and a cat appears in the story. If I recall correctly, the new translation that came out recently had the cat on the front cover too.
The third one is Akiyama Mizuhito’s Neko no Chikyuugi. It’s a light novel, but I love Akiyama-sensei’s literary style. I encourage sci-fi lovers and cat lovers to read it.
“10 years is the starting line. I want to mature more.”
Q: Next year marks your 10th year as a voice actor. Congratulations!
Thank you.
Q: You’re currently 28. When you debuted, did you have a goal to continue until you were 30?
I didn’t have a concrete goal like that, but my senpais often told me, “Keep going for 10 years. When you’ve gone for 10 years, you’ve reached the starting line.” Those words really stuck with me, and I’m nothing short of grateful for the turns of fate that allowed me to come this far.
Although I didn’t feel this way when I first debuted, right now I want to hurry up and turn 30. In life, there’s a period when youth and freshness are a strength, but ideally you should build your accomplishments and mature more. To that extent, I want to do expressions with a depth that can only be attained through years of experience… for example, by challenging a role I’ve never done before.
Q: What kind of role would that be?
Something like an older character, or an extremely powerful villain. There are a lot of things where I think, “I haven’t acted this type of character before since it wasn’t asked of me, but I’m sure I’d like it,” so I hope I run into a work that’ll allow me to output that. But in the end, our work is a collaborative effort with the creators and staff. I always value the bonds that connect us.
Q: Is there anything else you’d like to challenge in your music or writing?
For music, I released my first full album (quantum stranger) in December last year. It… wasn’t quite “Season 1”, but I feel that it wrapped up cleanly. Next, I want to present music that I didn’t try in Season 1.
For example, so far I’ve been intentionally writing orthodox songs with a verse, bridge, and chorus, but I’ve always liked songs that don’t follow that pattern. An understanding of that template will allow me to break free from it, and hopefully people will accept what I have to offer. My goal is music that’s irregular but seeps into your ears and body.
Q: How about on the writing front?
I’ve thankfully been given a lot of writing work, but I’ve always wanted to write a traveler’s journal, and I want to try it if my schedule will allow for it. I even want to spend several days exploring Europe.
I also want to write fiction, but first, I want to try expressing what I see and experience with my own eyes, as an extension of the essays I’m currently writing. Year after year, I feel that traveling has become more and more important in my life, and I want to create various works based on that.
“You can’t put conditions on emotions. I want to remove the excess filters on my heart.”
Q: Have your experiences in music and writing provided feedback for your acting work?
They use different circuits, so it doesn’t quite feel like feedback.
I purposefully use music and writing to express myself differently from the voice actor Saito Soma, so I think that if I were to link the two sides, I would end up limiting my creations to an extremely narrow world. The results will be better if I don’t try to do that.
You can’t put conditions on emotions… It’s important to stop thinking things like “It’d be better to feel this way” or “I should think this way.”
There’ll be moments when I think that while acting, but for myself, composing music and writing is work where I remove those so-called excess filters on my heart. So, to me, voice acting work and creative work are two equally important wheels that I can’t function without.
Q: What about the reverse, then? Do you receive feedback from your voice acting work?
A lot. That’s also because, before I set my sights on becoming a voice actor, I already liked composing music and writing.
Working as a voice actor for so long has definitely changed my way of thinking and feeling for the better, and those changes are greatly reflected in my music and writing.
My teenage self wouldn’t have been able to write the songs I’ve released so far.
Q: I read your essay book, Kenkou de Bunkateki na Saitei Gendo no Seikatsu, but after hearing what you said, now I want to read your future essays, five or ten years from now.
Thank you. I intentionally wrote the essays in that book to be read easily and smoothly–both in literary style and content–but in the end, I think they were only read because of the existence of the “Saito Soma” in quotation marks.
On the other hand, there are so many things that the “Saito Soma” in quotation marks will never be able to express to the world, and I think that’s because I’m holding myself back… Wait, but that doesn’t mean I’m talking about anything unethical *laughs*
I feel that if I can better link the “Saito Soma” in quotation marks with the normal Saito Soma, I’ll be able to express myself in even more ways. I think I’ll make that my personal theme for the future.
“Now is the time for grounding, not pursuing ascension.”
Q: About a year ago, you spoke about the word “ascension” in interviews and whatnot, which left quite the impression.
I’ve always liked the occult and spiritual things, and “ascension” is a spiritual word referring to the soul rising to the next level.
Q: You said that “encountering this word suddenly changed [your] way of thinking; it was like [you’d] been released from [your] chains, and living became a lot easier and more enjoyable.” You also said that “when the next ascension comes, [you] want to grab onto it and accept it.” Have there been any recent developments?
Life sure is complicated. Right now, I don’t feel as “chained down” as I did during that past interview. Back then, I did feel as though life had become easier, freer. But everything has different sides to it, and now I see that there was a good side and a bad side to that state.
I think it’s probably not realistic for things to always be getting better. You take one step forward, then fall several steps back. It’s a back-and-forth cycle.
If there’ll be another moment when my heart feels set free, then that’ll happen when it happens. Right now, I’m not going to forcefully focus on pursuing ascension, because grounding (living with your feet on the ground) is important too.
Q: Did leaving that “ascended” state affect your work?
Over the years, I’ve been granted more and more opportunities to do expressive work outside of acting, such as my music and writing activities. Because of that, my thoughts are moving more and more rapidly, and there are certainly some things that I can’t create without being in an “ascended” state. For example, lyrics and melodies.
On the other hand, I’m certain that there are also expressions that also come from a “grounded” state.
Q: Not being “ascended” doesn’t mean that you’ve taken steps back, though.
Indeed, it’s not a straight path. Being able to experience things in more varied ways is important as both a voice actor and a person, so I’ve accepted that now is the time for that.
Q: Lastly, is there anything your senpais have said to you or taught you about acting that you still take to heart today?
When I was in training, I was taught by Nakao Ryusei-san, a veteran at our agency, for a year. Ryusei-san taught me detailed techniques and whatnot, but he also taught me the mental attitude to have as a person and an actor. Among that was the “wait” attitude.
For example, when you receive a script, how should you spend the days left before the recording? There’s no right answer or anything. Obviously you have to read the script and prepare, but continuing to think about it constantly is a valid approach, as is doing something completely unrelated, because sometimes hints will come to you on their own. But, you also have the option to take it easy or have sneaky thoughts.
The same goes for the recording session. How do you interpret the time when it’s not your turn? Is it simply a time when you have no lines, or should you watch your senpais’ acting and try to absorb anything you can? That one change of attitude can make that time worthwhile. It’s what he called the valuable “wait attitude.”
When you get used to work and life itself, there are times when you’ll unintentionally forget to be nervous. When that’s about to happen, I remember what Ryusei-san said and focus my mind.
Q: It’s called “wait,” but it’s actually telling you to be proactive.
Yes. I’m a bit of a contrarian, so I interpreted it in the reverse: “This isn’t standby time; it’s free time that I can use to improve myself.”
Do you lament the current situation, or do you use it to change for the better? I think it all depends on your “wait attitude,” so when painful times come, I want to value those experiences.
Date: 2019/9/21 @ 2:20pm Event: Kyoto International Manga Anime Fair Guests: Saito Soma, Shirai Yusuke, Hatano Wataru (MC)
Choice Quotes
(Guests are sitting down after introductions) Soma: *sits down and starts fumbling with the adjustable chair* Shiraimu: *turns around just in time to see Soma lower his chair about 10cm* Huh? Don’t you think that’s too low? Hatano/Shiraimu: What’s going on? Soma: *silently adjusts the chair back up while still holding the mic to his mouth* Hatano: Can you stop holding the mic up if you’re not going to say anything? It’ll make us worry lol Soma: Hahaha Shiraimu: Stop it with the silent jokes Hatano: Okay so anyway, today we’ll be– wait, are you going to keep it like that? Soma: Should I make it higher? Hatano: It’s ok either way Soma: I’m scared of heights so… Shiraimu: You were singing on a tall stage just the other day!
(Talking about how they knew the original Tama & Friends series) Shiraimu: Oh, I’ve been Friends with it ever since I was little Soma: *to Hatano* …Can we switch seats?
This event was also covered by the VTuber Rinkulo, including a video message from Soma himself.
